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anyone who travels around this country knows we have a public goods deficit. it's something we'd love to see more in helping to boost the underlying productivity of the economy. and implementation. this doesn't get enough discussion. the affordable care act and dodd-frank first term agenda items are not yet implemented and there's going to be a lot of that in term two. other than that i see probably tax and entitlement reform. and don't forget guns. guns are -- >> tax and entitlement reform. when does that happen. how does it happen? we're assuming a baby deal, so i assume that that doesn't happen in that context. are you talking about a grand bargain? >> right. i am. and i'm saying that these guys actually got pretty far towards some kind of a bargain that involved cutting some entitlement growth, restructuring the tax code in ways that i think are pretty good. >> when would this happen in your perfect world? >> i think this would start to happen, not too long after we resolve the cliff. so, probably late february, march it would begin. but it's going to take
anyone who travels around this country knows we have a public goods deficit. it's something we'd love to see more in helping to boost the underlying productivity of the economy. and implementation. this doesn't get enough discussion. the affordable care act and dodd-frank first term agenda items are not yet implemented and there's going to be a lot of that in term two. other than that i see probably tax and entitlement reform. and don't forget guns. guns are -- >> tax and entitlement...
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who should pick up the burden for deficit reduction? working people who have seen their wages go down or the top 2% who have done phenomenally well, while their effective tax rate, as mitt romney reminded us by not releasing his tax returns, is extremely low. so to my mind, what this deficit reduction debate is about is asking the wealthiest people, the large corporations to help us with deficit reduction and give a break for a change to the middle class and working families. >> as you say, one that would mean less money for seniors with the social security adjustment is off the table, are you more optimistic about getting a deal done. >> we still have a long way to go. >> what do you see as the major sticking point? >> one of the sticking pointing, what the republicans want to do is continue the 2010 agreement on lower estate tax rates, which means, chris, $120 billion tax break over a ten-year period for the top 0.2 of 1%. they get $120 billion tax break. and people come forward and say we're very serious about deficit reduction. thir
who should pick up the burden for deficit reduction? working people who have seen their wages go down or the top 2% who have done phenomenally well, while their effective tax rate, as mitt romney reminded us by not releasing his tax returns, is extremely low. so to my mind, what this deficit reduction debate is about is asking the wealthiest people, the large corporations to help us with deficit reduction and give a break for a change to the middle class and working families. >> as you...
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doesn't contribute to the deficit. and we're talking about the deficit. why should social security be discussed in that context? >> completely off the table? >> absolutely. absolutely. and that was the -- and that was our position during the campaign. social security has nothing to do with the deficit. does not contribute to it. walled off from it. its own trust fund with $2.7 trillion in it at the moment. and the american people by huge majorities say we shouldn't be cutting social security or for that matter medicare benefits. you can cut medicare in ways you don't cut benefits and the hypocrisy of republicans that said that democrats are terrible because they took $716 billion from medicare for obama care and what do we want to do? pocket the cuts and add more. our chief demand is entitlement cuts. medicare and social security. >> talk about the debt ceiling and where this is played in to this conversation. that is coming up in february or supposed to come up in february. john boehner made the offer to take it off the table for a year but i want to sho
doesn't contribute to the deficit. and we're talking about the deficit. why should social security be discussed in that context? >> completely off the table? >> absolutely. absolutely. and that was the -- and that was our position during the campaign. social security has nothing to do with the deficit. does not contribute to it. walled off from it. its own trust fund with $2.7 trillion in it at the moment. and the american people by huge majorities say we shouldn't be cutting social...
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so to delay that has a cost that further adds to the deficit. so they have been trying to find ways to offset that cost. to bring in new revenue through these new taxes, to protect the current tax rates for the majority of americans. so anyone who earns less than 400,000 dollars as an individual will have the same tax rates as they do now. other sorts of tax provisions like the 2% payroll tax will stay in effect. and for those people who have been out of work the longest and have been depending on unemployment benefits, those will continue as a part of this deal. it is complicated. it has very significant impact on the economy, on people's pocketbooks, and there has been sharp political divide for a very long time. that's the subject of the campaign on many levels, it will be a subject of campaigns for many of these members of congress in the future when they are up for reelection. but this represents a significant breakthrough after so much difficulty. much of the credit will probably go to mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. and alon
so to delay that has a cost that further adds to the deficit. so they have been trying to find ways to offset that cost. to bring in new revenue through these new taxes, to protect the current tax rates for the majority of americans. so anyone who earns less than 400,000 dollars as an individual will have the same tax rates as they do now. other sorts of tax provisions like the 2% payroll tax will stay in effect. and for those people who have been out of work the longest and have been depending...
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that's a drop in the bucket to our deficit problems. so the real issue is spending and we got to deal with it. >> my guess is you're hearing the same thing that i hear from people. whether they're friends or family or they're people that i just -- that see me in starbucks. that is, why can't they get this done? i can't tell you the number of people who have said to me if i had a deadline at work and i just ignored it, i'd lose my job. this was yesterday on the senate floor. >> something has gone terribly wrong when the biggest threat to our american economy is our american congress. >> how did we get to this, congressman? he right? >> yes, he is. really it's the inability of congress to control spending. that is why we're in this pickle right now. we're spending $1.2 trillion more than we're taking in every year. and so he is completely right. i think people are right to see congress as dysfunctional. that's why we've got to deal with this today or tomorrow or the next day in a way that fixes this long term, not just gets us out of the
that's a drop in the bucket to our deficit problems. so the real issue is spending and we got to deal with it. >> my guess is you're hearing the same thing that i hear from people. whether they're friends or family or they're people that i just -- that see me in starbucks. that is, why can't they get this done? i can't tell you the number of people who have said to me if i had a deadline at work and i just ignored it, i'd lose my job. this was yesterday on the senate floor. >>...
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debt or the deficit, and they're unwilling to do anything. dan is completely wrong. speaker boehner is not prepared to make a deal. you know, he's not the host of "let's make a deal." he's completely incapable of making a deal. and look, i think we're headed over the fiscal cliff because, again, i don't think the republican party is serious about playing an important role in governing this country. >> now, i don't necessarily disagree with you, but let me push back a little bit, and then i'll let dan jump in. >> sure. >> look, the argument i'm hearing -- and i don't know what cuts the president is offering to the republicans -- but why doesn't he offer more? why doesn't he give them -- i mean, anything more that he offers would be better than going over the fiscal cliff. why can't we get to something? why can't he give enough significant cuts that would make some of these republicans in districts that will really have problems when they go back to win re-election, if they raise taxes, give them some sort of incentive. give them some serious c
debt or the deficit, and they're unwilling to do anything. dan is completely wrong. speaker boehner is not prepared to make a deal. you know, he's not the host of "let's make a deal." he's completely incapable of making a deal. and look, i think we're headed over the fiscal cliff because, again, i don't think the republican party is serious about playing an important role in governing this country. >> now, i don't necessarily disagree with you, but let me push back a little bit,...
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> reporter: republicans say to be fair the president must focus on entitlement reform to reduce the deficit. >> are you prepared to do that in your first year of your second term. >> what i said i'm prepared to do everything i can to make sure medicare and social security are there not just for this generation but future generations. >> reporter: despite the current gridlock the president says he mains optimistic but asserted democracy is messy. >> one way or another we'll get through this. to i wish that things were more orderly in washington? and rational and people listen to the best arguments and compromise and operate in a more thoughtful and organized fashion? absolutely. but when you look at history that's been the exception rather than the norm. >> now here is your "first look" at this morning's dish of scrambled politics. a new the die found the long lines in central florida on election day discouraged as many as 49,000 people from voting. on "meet the press" nbc's tom brokaw says there's a simple explanation for what's wrong with our elections and the lawmakers sent to washington.
> reporter: republicans say to be fair the president must focus on entitlement reform to reduce the deficit. >> are you prepared to do that in your first year of your second term. >> what i said i'm prepared to do everything i can to make sure medicare and social security are there not just for this generation but future generations. >> reporter: despite the current gridlock the president says he mains optimistic but asserted democracy is messy. >> one way or another...
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, deficit reduction. where do you start with that? what do you think the republican strategy should be? there's been a lot of criticism, as you know. i was thinking about david brooks, who was on "meet the press" over the weekend, and he was saying that the problem with the republicans, frankly sshgs that they have a brain freeze. they have no strategy. is there a strategy? >> absolutely. we work to get a $4 trillion deal, which included a program of tax reform, entitlement reform, and reductions in spending. that didn't happen. we weren't able to get that deal. we got one piece of it, and that is going to help with economic growth because we made these lower tax rates permanent. that's going to help our economy grow, create revenue through growth rather than higher taxes. we have got to do the entitlement reform. we've got to find real savings, and it has to be in that $4 trillion range to reduce the deficit and debt, and i think that also is part of really getting the kind of economic growth we need wit
, deficit reduction. where do you start with that? what do you think the republican strategy should be? there's been a lot of criticism, as you know. i was thinking about david brooks, who was on "meet the press" over the weekend, and he was saying that the problem with the republicans, frankly sshgs that they have a brain freeze. they have no strategy. is there a strategy? >> absolutely. we work to get a $4 trillion deal, which included a program of tax reform, entitlement...
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that's where we'll really have deficit savings. remember, we're in nickel right now because we're trying to deal with the deficit and long-term debt problems, not just fix a little area in the tax code. >> richard, would you agree that we're really just looking at the tip of the iceberg here? i mean, if we thought this was a difficult negotiation, you ain't seen nothing yet? >> yes, well, can we concede on the air that this whole fiscal cliff business was overhyped, that we knew that the world was going to look basically the same today and tomorrow and the next day, even if it didn't get done, as it did yesterday, but -- >> but do you think -- >> the debt ceiling's a different -- >> do you think that people who thought there could be a grand bargain were kidding us or kidding themselves? >> i think that they were kidding themselves down the stretch that we had any hope of getting anything big because there wasn't talk about anything big. frankly, the debt ceiling's not going to be that either. i know that the republicans are basica
that's where we'll really have deficit savings. remember, we're in nickel right now because we're trying to deal with the deficit and long-term debt problems, not just fix a little area in the tax code. >> richard, would you agree that we're really just looking at the tip of the iceberg here? i mean, if we thought this was a difficult negotiation, you ain't seen nothing yet? >> yes, well, can we concede on the air that this whole fiscal cliff business was overhyped, that we knew...
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at the moment we will have a fairly modest amount of deficit reduction. maybe even none at all. mixed with a fairly bad economic impact from the fiscal cliff. kicking some of the sequester down the road would be a good idea but it's the same disagreements keeping us from doing that that has kept us from getting a bigger deal. >> where we are right now and what we know about this, sam, is it clear whether one side gave more than the other? >> you know, it's just the first chapter of a several-chapter book here because now we're going to have to deal with the debt ceiling fight and republicans have been calculating that they want to extract some concessions from the white house on that. that can't be considered separate from what we're talking about today. of course, we have to do the sequestration and what will happen with those cuts. so it's too early to tell who wins, who loses. i'll add to ezra, the big losers i guess are us, and me in particular standing out here in the cold on new year's eve over a manufactured crisis. >> there are a lot of us who did not expect to be here a
at the moment we will have a fairly modest amount of deficit reduction. maybe even none at all. mixed with a fairly bad economic impact from the fiscal cliff. kicking some of the sequester down the road would be a good idea but it's the same disagreements keeping us from doing that that has kept us from getting a bigger deal. >> where we are right now and what we know about this, sam, is it clear whether one side gave more than the other? >> you know, it's just the first chapter of...
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as a former governor, we don't operate with big deficits. you can't do that and we're in trouble in this country financially. the long term and in the short term, yes, we'll have a recession. it won't be a bad one but it will be one and nobody wants a recession. in the long term i think wall street goes crazy and you will see 15,000, 17,000 in the dow because finally somebody has done something serious about the deficit. i don't believe they will if they come to an agreement. >> you know, governor rendell, i want to know if you agree with governor dean. part of the message, one of the things that strikes me, the message for so long has been we can't go over the cliff, we can't go over the cliff. here are all the things that will happen to individual americans if we go over the cliff. there's a lot of anxiety out there. we've been hearing about that, we've seen the markets up and down. to some degree, i understand the political arguments but in terms of the argument of the stability of the country and our economy, do you agree with governor d
as a former governor, we don't operate with big deficits. you can't do that and we're in trouble in this country financially. the long term and in the short term, yes, we'll have a recession. it won't be a bad one but it will be one and nobody wants a recession. in the long term i think wall street goes crazy and you will see 15,000, 17,000 in the dow because finally somebody has done something serious about the deficit. i don't believe they will if they come to an agreement. >> you know,...
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that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way. that doesn't just deal with the taxes but the spending in a balanced way to put it behind us and just focusing on growing our economy. but with this congress, that was obviously a little too much to hope for at this time. it may be we can do it in stages. we're going to solve this problem instead in several steps. >> but you know, molly, it was a friendly room. he had -- i don't want to say props but middle class folks behind him. is that an indication of how things are going and he's more privy to what's going on behind the scenes than we are and has confidence that things are getting done and maybe the tone reflected that. >> that certainly seemed to be the case. i think it is the case. we are hearing agreement is reached on the tax rates and still things to negotiate and all going to be issues, the tax rates were the biggest sticking point, they were what the house couldn't get through before and obama and boehner couldn't agree on. if that's now decided and they're talking about a
that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way. that doesn't just deal with the taxes but the spending in a balanced way to put it behind us and just focusing on growing our economy. but with this congress, that was obviously a little too much to hope for at this time. it may be we can do it in stages. we're going to solve this problem instead in several steps. >> but you know, molly, it was a friendly room. he had -- i don't want to say props but middle class folks...
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we need to reduce the deficit. we know we need to reduce spending. any deal in the future that is the rest of this deal and brings it to completion is going to need to have both revenue and spending cuts and we're going to need to make sure that we add entitlement savings. we have that opportunity. the republicans just need to continue to get more of their members to agree to say yes. >> all right. congresswoman debby wassermann schultz, thanks so much for your time. >> thank you, mara. >> so who won, who lost? who compromised and who held firm? where does this leave embattled house speaker john boehner? reed wilson is editor-in-chief for national journal's hotline. thank you both for being here today. ryan, let's talk about what we'll see in the house. do you expect a full scale revolt from conservative members who vowed to vote against any tax increase? >> well, i don't know. we'll find out early this afternoon. what i'm hearing is that the conservative members have three major problems with the bill that came over from the senate. one is that ther
we need to reduce the deficit. we know we need to reduce spending. any deal in the future that is the rest of this deal and brings it to completion is going to need to have both revenue and spending cuts and we're going to need to make sure that we add entitlement savings. we have that opportunity. the republicans just need to continue to get more of their members to agree to say yes. >> all right. congresswoman debby wassermann schultz, thanks so much for your time. >> thank you,...
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it would have an impact on the deficit. the president and democrats said they would like to have more deficit reduction but they don't want middle income seniors paying for that. it's a tough, tough point. the president said he would be open to entitlement changes in a bigger, broader deal. that's not what this was intended to be in the last 48 hours or so. i don't have a crystal ball. the moment we are in right now, it's not looking good. >> kelly o'donnell, live on capitol hill. we will check back in with you. thank you so much. again, the update, the highlight there from kelly o'donnell. there's been a major setback at this point in negotiations. according to democratic sources telling some democrats they are in a worse place in the negotiations now than they have been in some time. we're keeping a close eye on capitol hill. all the fiscal cliff business, maybe we put it aside at some point. we are not going to talk about that. by all accounts, 2013 should be a year of economic recovery. it should be. in a new article in
it would have an impact on the deficit. the president and democrats said they would like to have more deficit reduction but they don't want middle income seniors paying for that. it's a tough, tough point. the president said he would be open to entitlement changes in a bigger, broader deal. that's not what this was intended to be in the last 48 hours or so. i don't have a crystal ball. the moment we are in right now, it's not looking good. >> kelly o'donnell, live on capitol hill. we will...
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working with house speaker john boehner and trying to get a big deal that dealt with tax reform and deficit reduction. that fell apart and talks have largely been stalled this entire time. there was a lost pressure to get something done. we have seen some of the impacts of the fiscal cliff. consumers saying they have been more cautious with their holiday spending because of the uncertainty in washington. economists warn it could get worse and the markets could be foiled if we go over the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up for the average american by about $2,000 and could put us back into a recession. >> which nobody wants to see. kristen welker in hawaii. the president is coming back, but they haven't gotten the 48 hour notice. they are very much out there in play. thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. when the senate returns tomorrow morning, there will be a new emphasis on members taking a larger role in the fiscal cliff negotiations that based off the current offer may only have a smaller deal. a member of the budget committee and outspoken voice on the left side of the aisle.
working with house speaker john boehner and trying to get a big deal that dealt with tax reform and deficit reduction. that fell apart and talks have largely been stalled this entire time. there was a lost pressure to get something done. we have seen some of the impacts of the fiscal cliff. consumers saying they have been more cautious with their holiday spending because of the uncertainty in washington. economists warn it could get worse and the markets could be foiled if we go over the fiscal...
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future negotiations and likely future fights about how to deal with paying for a way to bring down the deficit by other kinds of cuts. that's been at the heart of this fight. now, today the house of representatives comes in, they cast a vote, and because the senate vote is so overwhelmingly bipartisan, 89-8, it's hoped that that will have influence in the house to at least get this deal done now with a chance to talk about some of these issues some more in the new congress and in the months ahead. chris? >> kelly o'donnell, thank you. well, all eyes do now turn to the republican-controlled house and speaker john boehner. about two hours before the senate voted, the house leadership said it would take a wait-and-see approach. "decisions about whether the house will seek to accept or promptly amend the measure will not be made until house members and the american people have been able to review the legislation." with me now, "the washington post's" david machimura and steve toma, chief political correspondent for "mclatchy" newspapers. good morning. >> good morning. >> happy new year. >> happy n
future negotiations and likely future fights about how to deal with paying for a way to bring down the deficit by other kinds of cuts. that's been at the heart of this fight. now, today the house of representatives comes in, they cast a vote, and because the senate vote is so overwhelmingly bipartisan, 89-8, it's hoped that that will have influence in the house to at least get this deal done now with a chance to talk about some of these issues some more in the new congress and in the months...
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that has to be part of the discussion down the road, whether it's with respect to deficit in a few month or sequestration or other things, the department of service is another thing. a lot of neocon friends on the right think it's psycho. but the reality, everything has to be on the table if we're honest with the american people about getting our fiscal house in order. they need to know the american people, exactly what the costs are, the consequences are, the priorities are quite frankly, milissa. we need to find a balance between guns and brothers or will we live in an absolutist world where you can't have one without the other? i think that will be part of the sequestration as well. >> the heritage foundation came out and said -- basically gave it a huge thumbs down. how does this affect republicans who vote for it? is that something they carry with them in deciding this? >> i think it will be. i think with the change occurring with leadership and the fact that they are talking about scoring members, republican members on how they vote on matters going forward, yeah, i think some will
that has to be part of the discussion down the road, whether it's with respect to deficit in a few month or sequestration or other things, the department of service is another thing. a lot of neocon friends on the right think it's psycho. but the reality, everything has to be on the table if we're honest with the american people about getting our fiscal house in order. they need to know the american people, exactly what the costs are, the consequences are, the priorities are quite frankly,...
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we'll be increasing the deficit. it is just, i think, hard to step back and take in the totality of congressional failure around this issue. >> well, let's talk about what exactly is likely to happen or is the threat of what will happen. talk about the pentagon. talk about federal workers. talk about obviously the unemploy unemployed whose benefits are going away. >> absolutely. the biggest -- the most dangerous thing, the fiscal cliff is the unemployment insurance. if we go over for a month we can sort of trick everything else. we can -- the irs can do some tricks to make it so you don't feel tax increases quickly. we can do tricks to make it so we don't lay off people at pentagon, we can furlough them. there's no trick with unemployment insurance. if we go over the cliff and don't do anything by unemployment insurance, 2 million people, hardest hit by the recession, will lose their unemployment insurance. that's number one. we're going to have the payroll tax cut expire, that's probably going to happen if we do rea
we'll be increasing the deficit. it is just, i think, hard to step back and take in the totality of congressional failure around this issue. >> well, let's talk about what exactly is likely to happen or is the threat of what will happen. talk about the pentagon. talk about federal workers. talk about obviously the unemploy unemployed whose benefits are going away. >> absolutely. the biggest -- the most dangerous thing, the fiscal cliff is the unemployment insurance. if we go over...
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the grand bargain, something to prevent taxes going up, and also lay the groundwork potentially for deficit reduction in the future. i think you will see president obama cut his vacation short, and continue to play a role in those negotiations. richard. >>> kristin, over the weekend, he attended the funeral for the late senator inouye, who he has called an inspiration to him. what did you see in that service? >> well, more than 20 members of congress attended, mostly democrats, majority leader harry reid spoke and praised senator inouye for his partisan spirit, reaching across the aisle. of course in an earlier memorial service, the president called the late senator his earlier inspiration, on a a lot of members of congress came together to pay their respects. >> thank you, kristin. >>> if congress and the president fail to reach a deal, the impact is as unlikely as immediate as the term "fiscal cliff" seems to imply. the expiration of the tax cuts with a $2200 average tax high. the payroll tax cut would also expire meaning another $40 a paycheck and long-term unemployment benefits would en
the grand bargain, something to prevent taxes going up, and also lay the groundwork potentially for deficit reduction in the future. i think you will see president obama cut his vacation short, and continue to play a role in those negotiations. richard. >>> kristin, over the weekend, he attended the funeral for the late senator inouye, who he has called an inspiration to him. what did you see in that service? >> well, more than 20 members of congress attended, mostly democrats,...
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so all of this takes place against a debate about how to reduce the budget deficit. that's why you get into this theater of the absurd. >> well, and look at the tape you showed at the opening of the program with keith boykin over and over again showing the dysfunction of congress. they made this so onerous with the belief it would make them do something less onerous and now they're right up against it. >> they really know how to make these crises happen. political correspondent and writer, john howard, thank you very much for joining me and former labor secretary robert reich, thank you for joining me tonight. >>> coming up, the nra has done much more damage than you think. and they've made gun ownership much harder to trace. >>> and the romneys keep trying new explanations for why mitt lost. but they aren't getting any closer to the truth. and as some of you on twitter already know, i am wearing a christmas gift or two on the show tonight. there is still time to tweet your guesses about what it is. the answer to what christmas gift or gifts am i wearing is coming up
so all of this takes place against a debate about how to reduce the budget deficit. that's why you get into this theater of the absurd. >> well, and look at the tape you showed at the opening of the program with keith boykin over and over again showing the dysfunction of congress. they made this so onerous with the belief it would make them do something less onerous and now they're right up against it. >> they really know how to make these crises happen. political correspondent and...
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they say they want deficit reduction. if you go over the cliff, you get deficit reduction, you just don't get it in the responsible, accountable way. it's like chopping off on arm. >> like says i want a shower, i'm going to niagra falls. >> they still can't get it done. we're dysfunctional. no other explanation. >> i think they can stop the roller coaster and make it go. they're doing a dance now because republicans don't want to do something to rates. obama wants to play hardball. but i think they'll have a different argument later in the year. >> i guess both believe it's better to go over the falls than cut a deal that's going to hurt them at home. tea party people don't respond to boehner or to cantor or mccarthy or any of them. somebody in the next tea party is going to be yelling from the back, you sold us out. i think that's why the tea party is never going to be functional. they don't really respond to getting things done. they respond to anger back home. >> i think 2014 democrats are also aware of these tax incre
they say they want deficit reduction. if you go over the cliff, you get deficit reduction, you just don't get it in the responsible, accountable way. it's like chopping off on arm. >> like says i want a shower, i'm going to niagra falls. >> they still can't get it done. we're dysfunctional. no other explanation. >> i think they can stop the roller coaster and make it go. they're doing a dance now because republicans don't want to do something to rates. obama wants to play...
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it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt, and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes. we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> so what happens next? with us nbc news capitol hill correspondent mike vic rah and nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. mike, let's get started with you. what's happening right now in the senate. i understand there's an update on the chained cpi. >> reporter: they say the darkest hour right before the dawn, melissa. everybody ought to hope that's true, at least if you don't want to see your taxes go up on midnight on monday and tuesday night because everything seems to be at a standstill right now. let's review the bidding. here it is from a republican source here on the republican side of capitol hill. all day yesterday they were trading proposals back and forth. by his count two democratic offers came back to republicans and four came back from republicans to democrats. the last one being at 7:00 last night, and, boom, after that, things pretty much came to a standsti standstill.
it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt, and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes. we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> so what happens next? with us nbc news capitol hill correspondent mike vic rah and nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. mike, let's get started with you. what's happening right now in the senate. i understand there's an update on the chained cpi. >> reporter: they say the...
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cut part of the deficit? bring all 3 million of that one weapon back in, let the government, county, state and federal, pay you to take them back. you do don't need them. >>> we have to leave it there. thank you for your time. >>> speaker boehner has said it's up to the senate and the president to come up with a fiscal deal, but as some point out, he'll have to push a bill through the house. given last week's events it won't be easy. "the washington post" columnist e.j. dionne says that may be the silver lining, writing, quote -- now at least we know something important. the current rep majority cannot govern, only a coalition across party lines can get the public's business done. e.j. joins us now, a senior fellow with the brookings institution and an msnbc contributor. e.j., great to see you, as always. john boehner sits to the left of center of his caucus. can he work out a deal without inciting a full-scale revolt? >> well, we don't know that, but i think he'll have to test it. that really tells you somet
cut part of the deficit? bring all 3 million of that one weapon back in, let the government, county, state and federal, pay you to take them back. you do don't need them. >>> we have to leave it there. thank you for your time. >>> speaker boehner has said it's up to the senate and the president to come up with a fiscal deal, but as some point out, he'll have to push a bill through the house. given last week's events it won't be easy. "the washington post" columnist...
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the argument here all trying to come down to deal with the long-term deficit. so any move that in effect adds to the deficit really undoes all of the work they're at. so it's an unusual night. there are pizza boxes around there are people who aren't normally here there are at least a handful of senators who are celebrating anniversaries that i've spoke to either tonight or tomorrow with spouses who are near or far. so it's an unusual atmosphere. it is still possible they say to get some kind of an immigrant on the senate side tonight. that's why they're staying late. the house has gone home. so in effect, the cliff going over is inevitable. but as you heard senator coburn mentioned, it could be retroactively dilt dealt with over the next few days. and they don't want to lose the moment they believe they now have. even vice president biden might come over if they're close to a deal. more narrow issues are still dividing them. they've maid a lot of progress. they're just not there yet. milissa? >> i'm glad you just described that to us all about the mood in the s
the argument here all trying to come down to deal with the long-term deficit. so any move that in effect adds to the deficit really undoes all of the work they're at. so it's an unusual night. there are pizza boxes around there are people who aren't normally here there are at least a handful of senators who are celebrating anniversaries that i've spoke to either tonight or tomorrow with spouses who are near or far. so it's an unusual atmosphere. it is still possible they say to get some kind of...
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agrees that you can't set this nation's economy on a healthy path that cease going to take care of our deficit and make it a managinin bart of gdp. he knows we can't asked the republicans to raise it 1.2, 1.3 trillion in revenue. he's reached out and made cig nif kant concessions and the response to that was nothing. it is pathetic. >> jaret, let me ask you, if we go over the cliff, what ps? is there not an immediate impact on people with unemployment insurance and other things? i mean, what happens if we go over this cliff? >> well, you really have to distinguish between going over the cliff and quickly reversing the damage, meaning in a matter of weeks, which is still impossible. if we go over and stay over, a couple of million people will lose their unemployment benefits. eventually, taxes will increase for millions of others. the payroll tax holiday will probably be gone either way. once we go over the cliff, the economic pain will be forthcoming. >> and can be significant. give me a yes or no. are we going over the cliff? or will it be a last-minute deal? >> i think we're going over. >> y
agrees that you can't set this nation's economy on a healthy path that cease going to take care of our deficit and make it a managinin bart of gdp. he knows we can't asked the republicans to raise it 1.2, 1.3 trillion in revenue. he's reached out and made cig nif kant concessions and the response to that was nothing. it is pathetic. >> jaret, let me ask you, if we go over the cliff, what ps? is there not an immediate impact on people with unemployment insurance and other things? i mean,...
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that plan would have dealt with tax reform and deficit reduction and this will be a much more scaled back version that will deal with the issue of taxes and that is still the big sticking point, taxes. of course, democrats and president obama have called for tax rates to increase on those making $250,000 or less. republicans have said that's way too low. so they're thinking about potentially compromising on a rate that would be $400,000 or $500,000, but some republicans are saying they don't think that the tax rate should go up on anyone. so taxes still the major sticking point. right now the negotiations are going on the hill and there's a lot of optimism that came from the talks yesterday. of course, president obama hosted congressional leaders at the white house and they left that meeting and many said that it was constructive and they were optimistic that a deal could get done and i've been talking to my sources today and that same optimism isn't really present right now. there's more skepticism about a deal getting done and it is still very early in this process and this is a fl
that plan would have dealt with tax reform and deficit reduction and this will be a much more scaled back version that will deal with the issue of taxes and that is still the big sticking point, taxes. of course, democrats and president obama have called for tax rates to increase on those making $250,000 or less. republicans have said that's way too low. so they're thinking about potentially compromising on a rate that would be $400,000 or $500,000, but some republicans are saying they don't...
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david gregory challenged obama on some points but made $1 trillion in cuts, he also vowed to cut the deficit in half in 2009. that has not happened. >> compared david gregory we saw at the top of the show waving that magazine at wain lapierre. this was a low-key interview. >> meek and weak. i didn't find david gregory, i think he lost his punch over this short-lived vacation. a number of points he didn't press the president hard enough. >> the president gave short answers. >> but there's really no excuse. >> the pomp and the ceremony. on the other hand, and you've had experience covering barack obama going back to chicago, it can be hard to interrupt during an incumbent president during an interview. >> it is. obama had the home court advantage. david had it in that more aggressive interview and now, l i'll say this quickly. way back in the day when obama united states senator and there was a press conference and i asked a question and he was giving it a very long answer, in my view, and i cut him off and, boy, did i get thumped from him for cutting him off. i don't know -- >> he complained
david gregory challenged obama on some points but made $1 trillion in cuts, he also vowed to cut the deficit in half in 2009. that has not happened. >> compared david gregory we saw at the top of the show waving that magazine at wain lapierre. this was a low-key interview. >> meek and weak. i didn't find david gregory, i think he lost his punch over this short-lived vacation. a number of points he didn't press the president hard enough. >> the president gave short answers....
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years, 1% or 2% of the population, they need to contribute a little more to that restructuring of our deficit situation. so i don't think this is political at all. the politics ended on election day. the president made his case, he made it very clearly. there is no doubt as to what was at stake in that election and the president was elected overwhelm lig. so the politics are over. now we're trying to govern the country and i think that's, at least in the house. >> congressman, i got to speak with you twice over the last several days. i appreciate your time. >> you, too. >> this video just in from the scene of a fire in the rochester, new york area. it's reported two firefighters were shot after responding to a large fire at 6:00 this morning. they encountered gun fire as they were getting out to the fire and immediately retreated. one firefighter was shot in the buttocks and is reported to be in satisfactory condition. it's believed that three houses and one vehicle are involved in that fire. residents in the area have been asked to stay in their homes away from windows and doors. we'll keep
years, 1% or 2% of the population, they need to contribute a little more to that restructuring of our deficit situation. so i don't think this is political at all. the politics ended on election day. the president made his case, he made it very clearly. there is no doubt as to what was at stake in that election and the president was elected overwhelm lig. so the politics are over. now we're trying to govern the country and i think that's, at least in the house. >> congressman, i got to...
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this is a plan that is not really enough to achieve the kind of fiscal sustainability in our deficit that -- one might have hoped out of a deal like this. this deal also does nothing about the debt ceiling. so unfortunately, we'll be back in a few months about another deal. on new year's eve, let's kind of put that aside for now. >> well, see you in a couple of months then, economist jared bernstein, thank you so much, happy new years to you. you are watching "msnbc," the place for politics. >>> welcome back to our breaking news coverage of the fiscal cliff deal from capitol hill. lawmakers in the white house have reached a tentative deal the avert the across-the-board tax increases, and huge spending cuts regarding the sequester. joining us is the host of "politics nation," the reverend al sharpton. thank you for taking time out of your new year's eve. and i'm sure that this is a subject of great interest to you. >> no, it is a very much -- of a concern to me. and one of the things that i'm very happy about if this deal is voted in, is that people that are depending on unemployment
this is a plan that is not really enough to achieve the kind of fiscal sustainability in our deficit that -- one might have hoped out of a deal like this. this deal also does nothing about the debt ceiling. so unfortunately, we'll be back in a few months about another deal. on new year's eve, let's kind of put that aside for now. >> well, see you in a couple of months then, economist jared bernstein, thank you so much, happy new years to you. you are watching "msnbc," the place...
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and lays the ground work for future cooperation on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> now, that's a little different i. the president is saying he's going to urge the senate majority leader to go in an up or down vote which really rallies the country to call on their senators. and when he referred to unemployment insurance and unemployed people looking for work, the benefits that are set to expire, expire, now, are lifelines for people who work. 2 million people we're talking about. average check they receive is $320 per week. benefits goes to those who have been unemployed more than 6 months. every dollar in unemployment benefit translates to $1.10 in additional economic activity. these people have been out of work. these are people that invested in unemployment insurance, been out of work over 6 months. depend on this $320 a week. it expires unless a deal is made. that's why this is cig nif kant. and the president is saying let's make this happen or call the roll. >> it's time for a reckoning. the reckoning has to occur in a couple of different ways. the president is goi
and lays the ground work for future cooperation on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> now, that's a little different i. the president is saying he's going to urge the senate majority leader to go in an up or down vote which really rallies the country to call on their senators. and when he referred to unemployment insurance and unemployed people looking for work, the benefits that are set to expire, expire, now, are lifelines for people who work. 2 million people we're talking...
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so this can't really be about the deficit even if that's what they're telling themselves. you know, there are 30 to 60 really, really conservative republicans in that caucus, and if you're going to give them a kind of veto power, you're never going to get anything through the house in the next two years that can pass the senate. this is a real crisis of governance and it looked like boehner was facing up to that. congressman yarmuth had praised him ten hours ago because you could pass something, i think, with a modest number of republican votes. so i think this meeting they're having now, it could be about tactics, about how to teal with the mes we're about to go into, but there may be some republicans standing up and saying do we really want to throw us over the cliff in this way? i think this is one of the most important meetings the republican party has had since their convention and maybe more so. >> e.j., we have one more minute. i want to get your perspective on this. if it does go back to the senate, is it dead for the 112th? what's your thought here? >> i think it'
so this can't really be about the deficit even if that's what they're telling themselves. you know, there are 30 to 60 really, really conservative republicans in that caucus, and if you're going to give them a kind of veto power, you're never going to get anything through the house in the next two years that can pass the senate. this is a real crisis of governance and it looked like boehner was facing up to that. congressman yarmuth had praised him ten hours ago because you could pass...
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insurance is still available for two million people and lays the groundwork for economic growth and deficit reduction. >> everything that has been happening in the last several hours has been happening behind the scenes. we have correspondents tracking everything for you. we have luke, luke, i will start with you this hour. the senate officially reconvenes tomorrow afternoon. i assume that there's a lot of closed door talks going on right now. is that true? what can you tell us? >> reporter: that is true, staff from harry reed and mitch mcconnell have been negotiating through the daout the day and in picked up. we have heard that both sides are not budgeting. but we don't know, things can change at any moment. if we have to gauge how to talks have gone so far from the conversations we have had here around capitol hill, they have not been too good at the moment. all that being said though, craig, there's a lot that can happen over the next 48 hours. the deal obviously is to try to have something on the floor that can pass the house of representatives by new year's eve. that is why it's so di
insurance is still available for two million people and lays the groundwork for economic growth and deficit reduction. >> everything that has been happening in the last several hours has been happening behind the scenes. we have correspondents tracking everything for you. we have luke, luke, i will start with you this hour. the senate officially reconvenes tomorrow afternoon. i assume that there's a lot of closed door talks going on right now. is that true? what can you tell us? >>...
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americans looking for a job, and lays the ground work for future progress on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> republicans say they want a deal as well, but they highlighted their biggest sticking points today in their weekly address. listen now to missouri senator roy blount. >> senate democrats have spent months drawing partisan lines in the sand. the president's proposal to raise tax on the top 2% of americans won't even pay one-third of the annual interest that's now owed on this massive $16 trillion debt. in fact, the president's tax hike would only fund the government for eight days. >> the senate is set to reconvene sunday at 1:00 eastern time. the house expected to be in session sunday. are going to start around 2:00 with the first votes coming around 6:30 p.m. let's head on over to the white house. kristen welker standing by. a lot happening in washington, d.c. a lot happening i would assume at the white house. but how engaged is the presidented to in moving this thing forward? >> reporter: good afternoon, t.j. i am told there are conversations going on at the staff leve
americans looking for a job, and lays the ground work for future progress on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> republicans say they want a deal as well, but they highlighted their biggest sticking points today in their weekly address. listen now to missouri senator roy blount. >> senate democrats have spent months drawing partisan lines in the sand. the president's proposal to raise tax on the top 2% of americans won't even pay one-third of the annual interest that's...
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they have all deficit versions of mental illness and personality disorders. these profiles are the same and they're all doing it. it is connected. >> it is. jonathan, the problem is, when you talk about it, you talk about violence in hollywood movies or video games, you'll have people on the left saying, you're just trying to show the nra -- then, when you go after the nra, you will have people saying, you're not looking at mental health. everybody creates a false choice. if you talk about violence on americans and somehow not talking about guns and if you talk about guns, you're not taking a strong stand on mental health and everybody avoids the issues and not getting anything done. >> everyone is using the argument as diversions from dealing with the issues at hand. none of these things have been in isolation. i'm glad you're having this conversation because one thing be gets the other. if people don't think violent video games has something to do with this or mental illness has something to do with this and growing isolation of young boys or young people h
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>> there area i variety of different things and the obvious one is we're running a national deficit at a scale that's unsustainable. when it's over $1 trillion like it's been for the last three years that will create some situations where just crisis emerged. that's the first part. the second part is the economy and not pointing fingers at anybody, but the economy is not back on track. there's still a significant level of unemployment and the amount of people who are actually participating and the workforce is down, so you have all of the economic components of this constant situation of where there are these constant fiscal problems. having said that, one of the things that you're seeing in this particular debate and why i'm feeling better about this particular exchange is the sense that, look, when the policy outcome becomes greater than the political payoff, that's when you see bipartisan ship begin to emerge and i think what you're seeing from both sides is the policy outcome is becoming more important and you'll see it program that we'll move in that direction from the fiscal clef
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i've been working with leaders to try to forge an agreement to grow our economy and shrink the deficit. a balanced plan that would cut spending a responsible way, but also ask the wealthiest americans to pay a little more and protect the middle class and everyone striving to get into the middle class. i still want to get this cone. it's the right thing for our families. but the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. we're now at the point where in just four days, every american's tax rates are scheduled to go up by law. every american's paycheck will get considerably smaller. and that would be the wrong thing to do. it would be bad for middle class families and bad for businesses that depend on family spending. forchew nat ew fortunately, con can prevent it from happening. i just had a good discussion about how to prevent this tax hike on the middle class. and i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that can pass both houses in time. senators reid and mcconnell are working on such an agreement as we speak. but if an agreement isn't reached in time between senat
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i think that would be a tough lift considering president obama offered $400,000 with $2 trillion in deficit reduction. >> from where you sit right now, i mean, you're so into the house gop, jake, i'm surprised you didn't end up in boehner's suitcase, we look like we're going over. >> it looks like that's the case and that's what gop aides are telling us today, it's very difficult and democrats are saying this too, it's difficult to see a way we avert the fiscal cliff at this point with how slow the senate operates, no plan right now, house is nowhere, and it's almost january. >> highway to the danger zone, jake sherman, politico, thank you so much for joining us, we appreciate it. >>> developing news on president george h.w. bush's health. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. we've all had those moments. when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost. when what you just bought, just broke. or when you have a little trouble a long way from home... as an american express cardmember you can expect some help. but what you might not expect, is you can get all this with a prepaid
i think that would be a tough lift considering president obama offered $400,000 with $2 trillion in deficit reduction. >> from where you sit right now, i mean, you're so into the house gop, jake, i'm surprised you didn't end up in boehner's suitcase, we look like we're going over. >> it looks like that's the case and that's what gop aides are telling us today, it's very difficult and democrats are saying this too, it's difficult to see a way we avert the fiscal cliff at this point...
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these are people providing us also with the means that float the deficit. these are people that are providing finances and this goes on long enough, they begin to think that. >> who? >> the foreign governments as well as markets. people sitting on enormous treasuries. the question then is they go hold it. if these guys are not serious, why am i depending on them so much? the scary scenario is people say before i continue to float the united states, i want to get a higher return in order to give in to this risk and uncertainty. that is the day the spiral begins because mr. bernanke and col colleagues have to think about raising rates and whether to attract the financing. what is scary about this cliff and the debt ceiling over the next two months to the end of february is for the rest of the world looking at us, we have about two months if not to solve everything, but to get enough ducks lined up that we continue to be at least border line serious. >> talking about border line serious, tim geithner's letter indicating we won't be able to pay our bills, are t
these are people providing us also with the means that float the deficit. these are people that are providing finances and this goes on long enough, they begin to think that. >> who? >> the foreign governments as well as markets. people sitting on enormous treasuries. the question then is they go hold it. if these guys are not serious, why am i depending on them so much? the scary scenario is people say before i continue to float the united states, i want to get a higher return in...
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development, investing in clean energy and technology, investing in infrastructure and dealing with the deficits were more -- in a more balanced way. it was about what our obligations are to each other. it was about big things. those are very, very big things. i will say that, for all of the critique about whether our campaign was about big things or not, the preoccupations of people who write about that -- and i used to do that for a living -- i don't try to separate myself -- many of them are my best friends -- there is an awful lot of horse race coverage of this presidential race. there is such a preoccupation with who will win and who will lose and so little real interest in what the implications are. >> we were talking about pulling. >> public polling is so voluminous now. any to kids with an abacus can do a poll of the corner grocery store and some national news are in position will cover it as if it is news. and maybe the billion tommy pulled him out today. -- the billy and tommy poll came out today. it can be done sound yet they produce results that were wholly different than what we kne
development, investing in clean energy and technology, investing in infrastructure and dealing with the deficits were more -- in a more balanced way. it was about what our obligations are to each other. it was about big things. those are very, very big things. i will say that, for all of the critique about whether our campaign was about big things or not, the preoccupations of people who write about that -- and i used to do that for a living -- i don't try to separate myself -- many of them are...